1 Roll Call - Chad Blake
Teleconference meeting participants (85Kb PDF)


2 Review of Anti-Trust Guidelines – Sondra Ullman, Tony Androsky
Antitrust Guidelines (27Kb PDF)


3 Review of/Corrections to Draft Minutes of October 2008 Teleconference Meeting
NIST Nov 2-4 meeting change for the minutes-Approved  with no other changes   

 
4 Opportunity for DOE/HQ Representative to Provide Latest Information on What’s Going on at DOE – Antonio Ruiz
Due to travel and meeting commitments, there Antonio was not available to brief.


5 Opportunity to discuss the California Hydrogen Fuels Project’s Efforts to Develop a Hydrogen Standard - John Mough/Gary Castro
 No new developments                                                                 

6 Report on Hydrogen Industry Panel on Codes (HIPOC) Activities - Darren Meyers/Tom Joseph
Marty Gresho briefed on the first formal in-person meeting.  Changes relative to separation distances were addressed.  Consensus among members was reached w/out a forum.  The group present agreed on what is to be believed as a technically sound review and approach.  A second in-person meeting will be scheduled for early 2009.  NFPA 55 referred to for bulk storage to over 400 scf.  Discussion included proposing rather simple separation distances for the dispensers.  ICC staff is writing up the proposals for the next telecom in early December.  See HIPOC minutes for complete details.

NFPA 2 voted in early Oct to slip cycle for 6 months.  Early Mar 2009 for public review and comments on track for a Spring release of the doc.

Paul Buehler reports that documents have received net maps so that they may go to the floor.


7 Report on NFPA Activities – Paul May
Paul May reported NFPA 2 still on schedule for 2010 revision cycle. A detailed Table of Contents (TOC) is expected to be released to the public. This gives the Technical Committee time to flesh out details while public can propose requirements.


8 Report on Planning for Next DOE/NREL/NASFM  Workshop on Permitting HFS Projects  and Telecommunications Projects Using Fuel Cells for Backup Power – Carl Rivkin
No updates, the number will increase in 2009 as well as the scope to include other fuels in addition to hydrogen, but still keep it focused.  Continuing to receive positive feedback.


9 Report on IEC/TC105 Activities and Documents in the “Comments” Stage

TC105 – Fuel Cell Technologies

• Working Group #1Terminology
• The Draft Technical Specification is posted on the IEC website for comments until January 23, 2009.
• Working Group #2 Fuel Cell Modules
•  TC105 has requested comments to IEC 62282-2 for the next revision cycle. No US comments.
• Canada has adopted this standards, with Canadian deviations, as CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62282-2:07 (effective date 12/1/09)
• Working Group #3 Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems - Safety
• TC105 has requested comments to IEC 62282-3-1 for the next revision cycle. The US TAG submitted 50 comments.
• Working Group #4 Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems – Performance
•       Meeting in Geneva October 14 -15. Robert Wichert attended.
• Working Group #5 Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems - Installation
• TC105 has requested comments to IEC 62282-3-3 for the next revision cycle. No US comments.
• Working Group #7 Portable Fuel Cells
• Meeting in Geneva October 16-17. Robert Wichert attended.
• Working Group #8 Micro Fuel Cells – Safety
• US Experts are working to complete FDIS for publication.

• Visits - 6,512                
• pdf download - 477
• 25% of visitors are regulars

Contact Kelvin and see www.fcstandards.com for complete details.


10 Report on ISO/TC197 Activities and Documents in the “Comments” Stage and Actions Arising from US TAG Meeting – Jill Thompson  
ANSI-Accredited U.S. TAG for ISO/TC 197, Hydrogen technologies

• Currently out for vote
• ISO/DIS 26142, Hydrogen detector

U.S. TAG comments are due by 9 January 2009.
A webconference to review comments is scheduled for 20 January 2009 from 2:00-4:00 PM.
The ballot concludes 15 February 2009.

• Recently closed votes
• ISO/FDIS 16111, Transportable gas storage devices–Hydrogen absorbed in reversible metal hydride

U.S. TAG votes were due by 3 October 2008 and the ballot concluded 22 October 2008
The U.S. TAG voted approved.
Ned Stetson, member of the U.S. TAG, is the convenor for WG10.
The Secretary for ISO/TC 197 has reported that the FDIS was approved and will proceed to publication as an International Standard.

• ISO/DIS 16110-2, Hydrogen generators using fuel processing technologies—Part 2: Procedures to determine efficiencies

The ballot concluded 11 September 2008.
The U.S. TAG voted disapproved with comments.
The DIS ballot was approved.

• ISO/DIS 15869.3, Gaseous hydrogen and hydrogen blends—Land vehicle fuel tank

The ballot concluded 26 August 2008.
The DIS ballot failed.
The Secretary for ISO/TC 197 has reported that a technical specification will be published for use until an International Standard is available.

• WG11 Meeting on Filling Stations

• Meeting scheduled for 6 and 7 November in The Hague to discuss setback distances and dispenser protections.

11 Opportunity for CDOs and SDOs to Report on Their Activities

a. Report on NIST activities – Juana Williams
U.S. National Work Group (USNWG)                 
The next meeting of the USNWG for the Development of Commercial Hydrogen Measurement Standards is December 2-4, 2008.  Future meeting schedules will be posted at http://www.nist.gov/owm or http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/index.cfm, then click on "Developing Commercial Hydrogen Measurement Standards."  Micro Motion, Inc. will host the upcoming meeting at its Boulder, CO facility.  On December 4th, the USNWG will tour NIST Boulder from 1:00 p.m. - 2:30 p.m. to observe the cryogenic flow facility and the ongoing work on thermal conductivity measurement and density metrology.  The December meeting is an opportunity for the USNWG to discuss draft proposals for legal metrology requirements (that apply to hydrogen- refueling equipment, fuel quality, and method of sale) before the drafts are introduced at the January 2009 Interim Meeting of the National Conference on Weights and Measures Inc. (http://www.ncwm.net). 

The establishment of proper test methods is key to instilling confidence in commercial measurements in this sector of the hydrogen economy.  Consequently, the USNWG recommended that work be carried out simultaneously to develop equipment standards and test procedures.

The hydrogen and weights and measures communities provided only a limited response to the USNWG's request for test procedures and types of equipment that are currently in use to verify the performance of hydrogen refueling equipment.  The USNWG must now move forward with existing input from stakeholders to establish minimum specifications for standards, suitable laboratory and field test procedures, and guidelines on the uncertainties associated with test procedures such as gravimetric, volumetric, and master meter test methods. 

NIST Weights and Measures Division-Legal Metrology Devices Group and Process Measurements Division-Fluid Metrology Group will collaborate to make a preliminary assessment of the uncertainties associated with each test method.  A matrix will be drafted outlining the pros and cons of each test method, and will include the next steps for establishing guidelines on test procedures.  A draft matrix will be available at the December 2008 USNWG meeting. 

b. Report on CSA America Activities –  Julie Cairns
No report due to travel and meeting commitments.

c. Report on SAE Activities – Mike Steele
Mike Steele provided an update.  The SAE Fuel Cell Working Groups are meeting on:

Nov. 18, 19, 20, 21 - 18th Safety Working Group J2578
Nov. 19 - J2579
Nov. 20, 21 - Interface Working Group – international group – ISO 17268 review – want to have joint meeting to keep these work items from diverging

d. Others
CaFCP contact Jackie Birdsall for ASTM test method activities for H2 quality.  They will publish all of the various ways to test then let the regulatory folks decide what to use.

12 Report on Draft NHA C&S Priorities for 2009 - Karen Hall/Geoff Bromaghim


13 Report on USFCC C&S Priorities for 2009 - Sondra Ullman/Tony Androsky
Brief the USFCC matrix for attachment as well as inclusion of TWG activities.


14 Open Discussion and Other Issues

a. Joint Hydrogen Quality Task Force - Jim Ohi
Next meeting of USFCC JHQTF as well as NREL activities update contact Jim

b. Hydrogen vehicle shipping regulations work - Tony Androsky
Contact Bob Wichert, USFCC

c.  NHFCCSCC - Chad Blake
Proposal to modify frequency to every other month.  Sondra Ullman and Tony Androsky will forward as an item during the USFCC’s next Strategy Committee meeting.  USFCC member’s present all agree to January as an outstanding idea instead of December for the next meeting.


15 Next Meeting
Proposed Teleconference Meeting on January 7th, 2009