You are here: Archives > January 2010 > December 2009 Minutes MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 2009 TELECONFERENCE OF THE NATIONAL HYDROGEN AND FUEL CELLS CODES & STANDARDS COORDINATING COMMITTEE MEETING DATE: December 2, 2009 FACILITATOR: Chad Blake, NREL 1. Roll Call - Tony Androsky Attendees (26Kb PDF) 2. Review of Anti-Trust Guidelines - Tony Androsky Antitrust Guidelines (27Kb PDF) 3. Review of/Corrections to Draft Minutes of September 2009 Teleconference Meeting - Tony Androsky No changes 4. DOE/HQ Update – Antonio Ruiz Antonio is at the IPHE Meeting this week. Jim Ohi – Next week DOE is meeting to talk about the Multi-year Program Plan for the next 5 years. 5. California Hydrogen Standards - John Mough No update 6. Hydrogen Industry Panel on Codes (HIPOC) Activities - Bob Boyd / Glenn Scheffler No update – Next meeting December 9th, 2009 7. NFPA Activities - Paul May/Marty Gresho ROP Draft is close to being completed, will be posted on 12/28/09 Input document committees have been asked to review NFPA 2 NFPA 505 has received a notice of intent to make a motion; as a result, it will not be published until early 2010. 8. ICC Activities - Darren Meyers No update 9. DOE/NREL Activities and DOE/Sandia Activities - Carl Rivkin Indoor Fueling work continues as well as focus on sensor testing and placement and forklift refueling. Regional workshops will continue in 2010, no locations identified yet. National template work continues, including international coordination activities. 10. DOE/Sandia Activities - Carl Rivkin No update 11. IEC/TC105 Activities - Kelvin Hecht Kelvin's report (20Kb PDF) 12. ISO/TC197 Activities - Glenn Scheffler/Jill Thompson Glenn's report (15Kb PDF) 13. Fuel Cell Forklift Issues - Aaron Harris Recent meeting where all the major issues that have been brought up thus far. Most of the activities have been initiated with the SDOs. Major focus is refueling. The act itself has some gaps, specifically, a standard for identifying the type and size of cylinder in use on the vehicle. The group is proposing further industry discussion for tanks and identification of such for refueling protocols. The alternative will be an unacceptable default fueling rate. Julie Cairns believes that SAE J2601 next revision will encompass the issue. Mike Steele – no protocol for these types of applications planned in 2601. Julie C. – HPIT2 would be a suggestion for capturing the issue. Aaron H. – Agreed. UL2267 would need to be harmonized if this is the case. The same is true with NFPA 52. Further discussion will be held off-line. 14. NIST Activities - Juana Williams USNWG meeting is December 15 from 3pm – 4:30 Eastern. Focus will be to look at the draft equipment code for Handbook 44 and to respond to regional comments. 15. CSA America Activities - Julie Cairns HPIT-1, -2, materials compatibilities for compressed hydrogen applications standards have been approved and advisory groups will be formed as a result. 16. SAE Activities - Mike Steele J2601 is still going forward in the publishing process J2919 - TIR for hydrogen systems in industrial trucks will be forthcoming for comments. It will be based on J2579 with a different protocols and duty cycles. The safety working group is having a teleconference on December 15th where proposals for changes to J2579 will be discussed. 17. ASTM D.03 Activities - Jackie Button 5847 has gone to main committee ballot to close at the end of the month Meeting from Mon 12/7-12/9 in Anaheim, CA 18. NHA Activities - Karen Hall Workshop of FCS proceedings will be posted on the fuel cell safety web site. Any other material the group would like to have posted in December or January should contact Karen or Geoff. 19. USFCC Activities - Sondra Ullman The council is reviewing Codes and Standards work and priorities. If anyone has any input, please contact Sondra or Tony. 20. Open Discussion & Other Issues - Jim Ohi DOT is interested in lessons learned from CNG and have asked DOE to help them hold a workshop next week, December 10th and 11th in D.C. Participants will include fleet owners and participants from India and China. 21. Next Call – January 6, 2010