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| | You are here: Archives > November 2010 > October 2010 Minutes  MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 2010 TELECONFERENCE OF THE NATIONAL HYDROGEN AND FUEL CELLS CODES & STANDARDS COORDINATING COMMITTEE MEETING DATE: October 1, 2010 FACILITATOR: Robert Wichert Roll Call
1. Review of Anti-Trust Guidelines - Robert Wichert Robert Wichert reminded USFCC members to be mindful of the Anti-trust guidelines.
2. Review of/Corrections to Draft Minutes of September 2010 Teleconference Meeting Approved as written 3. DOE/HQ Update – Antonio Ruiz Antonio provided an update. FY 2011 started on October 1, 2010. Re-evaluation of priorities is in progress. Two meetings were held in China and one meeting in Japan. Meeting in China – Type 4 tanks have been banned in China for many years. Several presentations were made by the US and Europe. US will try to work more with China in the future. Funding update -- $9M SCS, $137M House, $174M Senate 2011 - $9M for SCS Continuing resolution – working with the lowest of the marks ($137M) and $9M for SCS. The ISO/TC 197 WG 8 and WG 11 meeting were held in Japan – The WG 11 meeting was intense. There were discussions regarding US work and international adoption of the ISO requirements when the US does not agree with them. There are several upcoming workshops planned –
Brussels – IPHE Working Group on Codes and Standards is expected in November. 4. Calendar of C&S Events and Fuel Cell Safety Information - Kelvin Hecht and Karen Hall Karen noted that the ISO/TC 197 WG 15 meeting that had been postponed from September was now scheduled for December 7-8 in Paris. 5. NHFCCSCC Mission Statement and Meeting Format Due to time constraints, this topic was deferred until next month. National Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Codes and Standards Coordinating Committee (HFC4) HFC4 Mission The National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes and Standards Coordinating Committee (HFC4) provides a forum for effective communication and collaboration among all stakeholders in the hydrogen and fuel cells regulations, codes, and standards community. HFC4 leadership will facilitate the development of harmonized, consensus-based, codes and standards that are critical to ensure public safety and to accelerate the commercialization of hydrogen and fuel cell technologies. HFC4 Strategic Objectives HFC4 will encourage and facilitate the timely and efficient incorporation of data-based hydrogen and fuel cell safety criteria into the existing and proposed national and international codes and/or standards promulgated by:
HFC4 will also promote development of performance measuring standards that take all applicable technologies into account, without creating any advantage for one or more technologies over others except for the inherent aspects of the various technologies. HFC4 will promote performance measuring standards that compare all technologies in a similar manner without prejudice. HFC4 will facilitate consensus based codes and standards development by working cooperatively with all stakeholders to take their viewpoints and all technologies into account. Stakeholders: The community of stakeholders includes codes and standards developers, industry members, technology developers, codes and standards users, architects and engineers, legislative and regulatory bodies that adopt codes, standards and other regulations, safety officials, first responders, and the US Government including the USDOE, USDOT, US EPA, US DOC (particularly NIST), OMB, National Laboratories, hydrogen and fuel cell users and consumers, and others. International stakeholders shall also be taken into account where their products or services might serve the US market.HFC4 will support and encourage technical and operational consistency among and across the codes and standards developed by different organizations. The HFC4 will provide a forum to list the differences, understand the details, and facilitate consistency. HFC4 will promote the harmonization of international hydrogen and fuel cell codes, standards and regulations by outreach to and collaboration with the international organizations involved in their development. HFC4 Charter HFC4 will convene meetings, in person and using teleconferencing, to allow the productive interaction of stakeholders to achieve these strategic objectives:
HFC4 will provide a forum to discuss standards, proceedings, and rulemakings that are open for input and comment as part of their drafting, review, revision, or approval cycles. Information on how to comment, when to comment, and the process for defending comments will be provided with as much advance notice as practicable. SDO/CDOs will be encouraged to provide a 90-day notice and logistic details on upcoming comment periods to facilitate industry input. HFC4 will help establish and communicate priorities and align resources for codes and standards development, and the necessary performance and safety data generation for decision making, with the existing codes and standards development cycles. Criteria will include assessing the potential safety risks and the impact of codes and standards availability on commercialization timelines. HFC4 will facilitate coordinating and integrating the many global activities in hydrogen codes and standards development to help ensure their consistency and the best use of resources. HFC4 will work to help familiarize building code and fire safety professionals, local/state/Federal policymakers and other strategic stakeholders (e.g., homebuilders, architects, transportation regulators, users and consumers, etc.) with relevant hydrogen and fuel cell technical and codes and standards information. HFC4 will support www.fuelcellstandards.com and www.hydrogenandfuelcellsafety.info to provide up-to-date information on hydrogen and fuel cell codes and standards activities worldwide. www.fuelcellstandards.com will maintain the matrix of ongoing and completed codes, standards and regulations, with status and contact information. www.hydrogenandfuelcellsafety.info will provide minutes of the HFC4 meetings, as well as short written reports of timely safety, codes and standards activities and actions, and emphasize when documents are open for comment, new activities are formed, and opportunities to influence codes and standards are coming up. HFC4 will identify critical gaps and deficiencies in hydrogen and fuel cell codes and standards and formulate recommendations to address them. Fuel Cell Forklifts - Aaron Harris Meeting next Tuesday at 11:00 AM Work continues on various documents:
6. Codes & Standards Organizations - All This is the opportunity for CDOs, SDOs, Panels, Committees, etc. to provide updates and issues to the group. ISO/TC 197 - Glenn Scheffler Ballots closed – waiting results
NFPA - Marty Gresho, Robert Wichert The Pre-ROP meeting for NFPA 52 was held in September. There was some discussion of removing Hydrogen from NFPA 52 and deferring to NFPA 2. NFPA 52 will be drafting a scope change letter for consideration by the Committees by the end of October to defer to NFPA 2 for hydrogen fueling. An answer from the Committees is expected in December. The Standards Council makes the final decision following the Technical Committee recommendation. Proposals are due May 23, 2011. NFPA 2 – ROC Completed. October 22 is the Motion deadline. Publication could occur in December. NFPA 55 Proposals are due on November 23 NFPA 30A – Comments are due by November 23 ASTM D03.14 Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Update- Bill Collins Work is progressing on ASME B31.12, 2nd Edition. NFPA 850 has issued a TIA on gas blowing of lines. B31.1 will follow up. The update in Appendix A for the ASTM work was provided for the minutes. SAE - Mike Steele September meetings were productive. Nov 9,10,11 are the next meetings. SAE J2919 is out for vote. SAE J2719 on hydrogen quality is progressing and waiting for the ASTM test methods. NIST - Doug Horne Doug Horne provided an update on a steering committee on research on Type 4 cylinders. Type 4 Tank Failure Investigation Steering Committee NASA, DOT, DOE, Industry, NIST (Boulder) to update NGV 2 for Type 4 Cylinders. The focus is to look at the failure modes and how to detect damage and incipient failures. 7. Open Discussion & Other Issues Karen Hall provided an update on the Next Energy C&S Conference held on September 21. There were several presentations that related to home hydrogen refueling. As a result, she raised this during the NFPA pre-ROP meeting to begin the work to identify restrictions or gaps in the codes. The proceedings of this conference will be posted in the Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Safety Report later this month at www.hydrogenandfuelcellsafety.info. With a growing interest in home hydrogen refueling, it may be of interest to this group to review them. Robert Wichert reported that based on results of a poll regarding participants planning to attend the Fuel Cell Seminar, there will be no in-Person Meeting at Fuel Cell Seminar. 10. Next Meeting The next meeting will be Monday November 1, instead of the usual Wednesday, due to schedule conflicts with the ASME Project Team on hydrogen tanks. |
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