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| | You are here: Archives > September 2010 > August 2010 Minutes  MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 2010 TELECONFERENCE OF THE NATIONAL HYDROGEN AND FUEL CELLS CODES & STANDARDS COORDINATING COMMITTEE MEETING DATE: August 4, 2010 FACILITATOR: Karen Hall, NHA 1. Roll Call - Chad Blake
2. Review of Anti-Trust Guidelines - Robert Wichert Robert Wichert reminded USFCC members to be mindful of the Anti-trust guidelines.
3. Review of/Corrections to Draft Minutes of July 2010 Teleconference Meeting Approved as written 4. DOE/HQ Update – Antonio Ruiz Antonio Ruiz provided an update. The DOE budget for 2011 has made it through House and Senate Appropriations Committees. The results are $137M in the House, and $174M in the Senate. The Senate has added additional language directing how the money should be spent and also increased the Market Transformation budget to $20M. Tech Val was also increased too to $20M. Education got $1M in the Senate. The Safety Program is at $9M including C&S. There will be a workshop in China to cover tanks and vehicle tanks, including hydrogen, natural gas and hydrogen blends. This is a follow-up to the Washington, D.C. workshop held previously. China is considering banning Type-4 tanks, although they are being allowed in the upcoming Shanghai Expo. They may be completely banned after that time. The Workshop may help to provide more information to the Chinese authorities on these tanks that might help them to make a different decision. The meeting is being supported by tank and vehicle manufacturers. There will also be an infrastructure workshop sponsored by IPHE on 21-22 September in Shanghai. Minutes will be published on line. Jim Ohi provided some more information regarding the Workshop in China. China is expected to provide information regarding the Chinese experience with Type 4 tanks, mainly for NGVs. Quality Control and Materials issues will be discussed. Guidance from SAE J2579 will also be discussed along with harmonization and tank testing protocols. 5. Calendar of C&S Events and Fuel Cell Safety Information - Kelvin Hecht and Karen Hall 6. Discussion Issues 6.1 NHFCCSCC Mission Statement and Meeting Format Robert Wichert provided the opportunity for members to provide input to the Mission Statement. The following changes were made. Members are encouraged to review these changes and discuss this again next month. Changed sections are highlighted in yellow. New text is underlined. Removed text is shown in National Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Codes and Standards Coordinating Committee (HFC4) HFC4 Mission The National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes and Standards Coordinating Committee (HFC4) provides a forum for effective communication and collaboration between all stakeholders in the hydrogen and fuel cell HFC4 Strategic Objectives HFC4 will encourage and facilitate the timely and efficient incorporation of data-based hydrogen and fuel cell safety criteria into the existing and proposed national and international codes and/or standards promulgated by:
HFC4 will also promote development of performance measuring standards that take all applicable technologies into account, without creating any advantage for one or more technologies over others except for the inherent aspects of the various technologies. HFC4 will promote performance measuring standards that compare all technologies in a similar manner without prejudice. HFC4 will facilitate consensus based codes and standards development by working cooperatively with all stakeholders to take their viewpoints and all technologies into account. Stakeholders: The community of stakeholders includes codes and standards developers, industry members, technology developers, codes and standards users, architects and engineers, legislative and regulatory bodies that adopt codes, standards and other regulations, safety officials, first responders, and the US Government including the USDOE, USDOT, US EPA, US DOC (particularly NIST), OMB, National Laboratories, hydrogen and fuel cell users and consumers, and others. International stakeholders shall also be taken into account where their products or services might serve the US market. HFC4 will support and encourage technical and operational consistency among and across the codes and standards developed by different organizations. The HFC4 will provide a forum to list the differences, understand the details, and facilitate consistency. HFC4 will promote the harmonization of international hydrogen and fuel cell codes, standards and regulations by outreach to and collaboration with the international organizations involved in their development. HFC4 Charter HFC4 will convene meetings, in person and using teleconferencing, to allow the productive interaction of stakeholders to achieve these strategic objectives:
HFC4 will provide a forum to discuss standards, proceedings, and rulemakings that are open for input and comment as part of their drafting, review, revision, or approval cycles. Information on how to comment, when to comment, and the process for defending comments will be provided with as much advance notice as practicable. SDO/CDOs will be encouraged to provide a 90-day notice and logistic details on upcoming comment periods to facilitate industry input. HFC4 will help establish and communicate priorities and align resources for codes and standards development, and the necessary performance and safety data generation for decision making, with the existing codes and standards development cycles. Criteria will include assessing the potential safety risks and the impact of codes and standards availability on commercialization timelines. HFC4 will facilitate coordinating and integrating the many global activities in hydrogen codes and standards development to help ensure their consistency and the best use of resources. HFC4 will work to help familiarize building code and fire safety professionals, local/state/Federal policymakers and other strategic stakeholders (e.g., homebuilders, architects, transportation regulators, users and consumers, etc.) with relevant hydrogen and fuel cell technical and codes and standards information. HFC4 will support www.fuelcellstandards.com and www.hydrogenandfuelcellsafety.info to provide up-to-date information on hydrogen and fuel cell codes and standards activities worldwide. www.fuelcellstandards.com will maintain the matrix of ongoing and completed codes, standards and regulations, with status and contact information. www.hydrogenandfuelcellsafety.info will provide minutes of the HFC4 meetings, as well as short written reports of timely safety, codes and standards activities and actions, and emphasize when documents are open for comment, new activities are formed, and opportunities to influence codes and standards are coming up. HFC4 will identify critical gaps and deficiencies in hydrogen and fuel cell codes and standards and formulate recommendations to address them. 6.2 Fuel Cell Shipping Regulations Robert Wichert Robert Wichert provided an overview of shipping regulations for fuel cell cartridges, fuel cell engines, fuel cell vehicles, fuel cell systems and related items. 6.3 Department of Defense Prohibition on Indoor Hydrogen Fueling Tom Joseph Jim Ohi provided an update. WG#12 is preparing the Draft International Standard for review. This should be out for country review late this year or early next year. 6.5 ASTM D03.14 Jackie Button Jackie Button provided an updated matrix 6.6 NIST Juana Williams Juana provided an update and draft copies of the two new documents. Her update was to tell update us on the adoption by the July 2010 National Conference on Weights and Measures of a tentative code of legal metrology requirements for commercial hydrogen gas refueling devices and permanent method of sale regulation for that application
6.7 Fuel Cell Fork Lifts Aaron Harris Aaron Harris provided an update. Work continues on HPIT-1 covering components. WG1 is working on the entire document and WG2 is working on tanks. UL 2267 is out for review by the Standards Technical Panel. UL has agreed that UL 2267 can be used as a seed document for an international standard for fork lifts. J2919 is out in draft format. Mike Steele is working on this document. If you want to contribute, please contact Mike Steele. Indoor refueling Julie Cairns has verified that HPIT-2 will be starting soon to cover dispensers, including indoor dispensers. The title of HPIT-2 is "Dispensing system for dispensing hydrogen gas for fork lifts". HIPOC and NFPA-2 WG-6 are working on coordination of effort to craft language for NFPA 52 and NFPA 55 to cover dispensing, indoor dispensing and fuel cell fork lifts. Chapter 22 IFC text that was not adopted is being considered for reference or inclusion in NFPA 55 for outdoor bulk storage. The next meeting of the USFCC Fork Lift Task Force is August 17th at 11:00 AM EDT. 6.8 Tank Testing Daniel Dedrick Daniel Dedrick provided an update. Tank testing continues to test for crack propagation in cyclic hydrogen service. Both "as-manufactured" tanks and tanks with "engineered flaws" will be tested. The evaluation of crack initiation and crack propagation is being investigated. The goal is establishment of a performance based standard for fuel cell fork lift tanks. There have been no tank failures so far during testing. Currently the "as-manufactured" tanks have been subjected to approximately 15,000 cycles. The testing is slightly behind schedule. A new compressor has been obtained to help speed things up. Cycle times have been increased to almost 300 cycles per day. Results are expected soon. The tanks with "engineered flaws" are also being tested now. "As-manufactured" 3 tanks with approx. 15,000 cycles plus one larger tank with a different geometry. Tanks with "Engineered flaws" 15 tanks, 10 can be tested at a time. Multiple defects have been added to a single tank to give additional data. Indoor refueling Experiments and model evaluations are in progress to validate NFPA 2 and NFPA 52 assumptions regarding geometry and leak sizes. Some sub-scale warehouse testing should start in September. 7. Codes and Standards Developing Organizations This is the opportunity for CDO's, SDO's and Standards Panels. Committees, etc. to provide updates to the group. 7.1 ISO TC 197 – Jill Thompson / Glenn Scheffler August 2010 Update - ANSI-Accredited U.S. TAG for ISO/TC 197, Hydrogen technologies
August 2010 Meeting of the DOE Hydrogen Codes & Standards Coordinating Committees (DOE/NHA/USFCC) TC105 Fuel Cell Technologies Update - Kelvin Hecht
The USFCC Regulatory Matrix can be found at: http://www.usfcc.com/USFCC-Regulatory-Matrix -July-14-2010-Draft-01.pdf 8. Next Meeting Wednesday, September 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time. This meeting will be broadcast as a Webinar. Reserve your Webinar seat now at: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/206935585 |
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