MINUTES OF THE TELECONFERENCE MEETING
OF THE
NATIONAL HYDROGEN AND FUEL CELLS CODES AND STANDARDS COORDINATING
COMMITTEE
Russel Hewett, NREL
MEETING DATE: September 7, 2005
TIME: 1:00 - 2:30 PM (MDT)
1.0 PARTICIPANTS
The list of participants in the teleconference meeting is provided
in Attachment
A.
2.0 REVIEW OF ANTI-TRUST POLICY
USFCC Codes and Standards Working Group meetings begin with
the reminder to review and follow the anti-trust guidelines
at the following web sites:
http://www.usfcc.com/members/ANTITRUST_GUIDELINES_REV.pdf
and
http://www.usfcc.com/members/Memo_on_Antitrust_Guidelines.pdf
3.0 CORRECTIONS TO MINUTES OF AUGUST MEETING
There were no additions or corrections to the Minutes of the
August 3rd teleconference meeting.
4.0 OPPORTUNITY FOR DOE/HQ SUBPROGRAM MANAGER TO
REPORT ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT DOE/HQ
Pat Davis (DOE/HQ Technology Development Manager for Safety,
Codes and Standards) and Jim Ohi were attending the First International
Conference on Hydrogen Safety in Pisa, Italy and were not available
to report on what's going on in the Hydrogen, Fuel Cells and
Infrastructure Technologies (HFCIT) Program in general and the
Safety and Codes and Standards SubProgram in particular - especially
funding for FY06.
Russ Hewett reported that it appears the Safety and Codes and
Standards SubProgram "appears to be holding its own"
as the resources for the FY06 HFCIT Program are being allocated.
For FY06, funding for the codes and standards subcontracted
activities (including R&D-related subcontracts) is likely
to be in the range $600,000 - $700,000. He reported that, using
the guidance from DOE/HQ, he has generated the (tentative) FY06
subcontracts plan. There is a good chance that some of the efforts
that were prematurely terminated in FY05 (because of Congressional
earmarks) may go forward in FY06.
Russ stated that if "public information" regarding
the SubProgram (including the budget) becomes available before
the Minutes are completed and disseminated, he will make it
an attachment to the Minutes.
5.0 REPORT ON VOTING ON NEW WORK ITEM PROPOSAL
FOR ISO/TC197 SUBMITTED BY JAPAN: HYDROGEN
DETECTORS
Japan has submitted a New Work Item Proposal to ISO/TC 197 entitled
Hydrogen Detectors (ISO/TC 197 N310).
Bob Mauro (Chairman of the US ISO?TC197 TAG) and Debbie Angerman
reported on how the US voted (internally) on the proposal. Disappointingly,
only nine of the 37 members of the US TAG for ISO/TC197 voted.
The voting was as follows:
- Four votes in favor of the Japanese proposal
- Three votes against
- Two abstentions
Because of the low participation in the voting and the "lack
of a trend" in the votes actually cast, the US vote to
ISO was an Abstention.
While voting to Abstain, the US TAG submitted a comment: that
efforts be devoted to revising either or both of the following
two existing standards to accommodate hydrogen:
- UL 2075 (Standard for Gas and Vapor Detectors and Sensors)
- IEC 61779 (Electrical Apparatus for the Detection and
Measurement of Flammable Gases)
Bob and Debbie identified the need to discuss what to do about
low TAG participation at its meeting scheduled for October 2005.
6.0 REPORT ON DRAFT INTERNATIONAL STANDARD (DIS)
ISO/DIS22734-1
Bob Mauro and Debbie Angerman reported on the status of
draft international standard ISO/DIS22734-1 (Hydrogen Generators
Using Water Electrolysis Process Part 1: Industrial and Commercial
Applications) which is out for voting and commenting internationally.
From the perspective of US interests, Bob and Debbie reported
that there are no serious problems with the draft. The strategy
in constructing it was to utilize references to existing standards,
rather than develop new requirements for the components in these
types of systems. And furthermore, the fact that the document
does not address generators for residential applications alleviated
a US concern (generators for residential applications are addressed
in companion standard ISO/CD22734-2).
The US ISO/TC197 TAG wants its members to provide their votes
and comments by October 11th, so that they can be discussed
at the TAG meeting scheduled for October.
The US has to submit its vote (and comments) to ISO by December
29, 2005.
7.0 REPORT ON DRAFT STANDARD IEC 622182-6-1
Kelvin Hecht (chairman of the US IEC/TC105 TAG) reported on
the status of the Committee Draft of the standard IEC 62282-6-1
(Fuel Cell Technologies- Part 6-1: Micro Fuel Cell Power Systems
- Safety). It is out for comments internationally with the comments
due back to IEC by November 4, 2005.
US IEC/TC105 TAG comments are due October 21st -- for formulating
the US position.
Russ Hewett asked Kelvin about the makeup of the US IEC TAG
and it's participation in TAG activities, compared to that of
the US ISO/TC197 TAG. Kelvin reported that the TAG has representatives
from approximately 30 organizations - most of which are new
fuel cell manufacturers. Since Kelvin is also a member of the
ISO/TC197 TAG, he was of the opinion that the participation
in the IEC TC/105 TAG is better than that of the ISO TAG.
8.0 REPORT ON DRAFT STANDARD IEC 62282-3-1
Kelvin Hecht reported on the status of IEC 105/80NP:62282-3-1
(Fuel Cell Technologies - Part 3-1: Stationary Fuel Cell Power
Systems - Safety). It is out for comments internationally -
the comments due to IEC by October 21, 2005. With respect to
the US IEC/TC105 TAG, comments are due by September 30th. Kelvin
reported that several have already been received.
In addition, the Draft has been made available to the US ISO
TC/197 TAG for their review and commenting. Debbie Angerman
reported that the ISO TAG would submit their comments by September
21st.
9.0 NFPA ACTIVITIES
Carl Rivkin reported on various NFPA activities.
On August 25th, the NFPA's Standards Council issued the new
edition of NFPA 52: Vehicular Fuel Systems Code: 2006 Edition.
It should be available for ordering within a few weeks.
The standard NFPA 853: Standard for the Installation of Stationary
Fuel Cell Power Plants is going through its normal revision
process. The current version is the 2003 Edition.
The Standards Council approved the recommendation to consolidate
all of the hydrogen safety requirements in its various codes
and standards documents into a single document that would tentatively
be entitled NFPA 2 (Hydrogen Technology).
NFPA Announcement
Re: the Decision to Consolidate (69Kb PDF)
The Hydrogen Technology Correlating Committee (HTCC) will be
responsible for creating the new document by:
- Extracting hydrogen and fuel cell requirements from the
various existing NFPA documents (e.g., NFPA 52, etc.)
- Identifying areas/issues not covered in existing documents
- Developing new materials to cover gaps and resolving conflicts
in requirements.
The HTCC would consist of the chairpersons of the various NFPA
technical committees responsible for the documents from which
materials are extracted. Additional persons will be appointed
to the HTCC by the Standards Council to achieve the desired
balance.
The codes and standards documents from which materials are extracted
will continue to address hydrogen in their normal development
cycles. The new document (NFPA 2) would go through the normal,
formal NFPA document creation and revision processes (including
comments periods). Carl estimates that the final version of
the first NFPA 2 will be available in the 2008-2009 timeframe.
Carl also reported that the NFPA Hydrogen Coordinating Group
held a teleconference meeting on August 23rd.
NFPA Hydrogen
Coordinating Group Meeting Minutes (56Kb PDF)
And finally, Carl reported that NFPA has just published a guidebook
on gas safety that includes hydrogen:
- The NFPA Guide to Gas Safety, Carl H. Rivkin, Editor,
National Fire Protection Association, Quincy, MA, 2005.
Hydrogen-related materials in the Guide include chapters on
hydrogen fueling stations and what happens when hydrogen leaks
develop.
10.0 REPORT ON ASME/SRNL HYDROGEN PIPING AND
PIPELINE WORKSHOPS
ASME and the Savannah River National Laboratory (SRNL) conducted
the "Materials and Components for the Hydrogen Economy
Codes and Standards Workshop" in Augusta, GA on August
29-30, 2005. The workshop covered:
- Overview of the DOE Hydrogen, Fuel Cell and Infrastructure
Technologies Program
- Codes and standards needs for material testing
- Codes and standards for hydrogen service
- Materials testing activities in the national laboratories
- ASME B31.12 Hydrogen Piping Code
- SRNL Materials experience with hydrogen service
- etc.
John Koehr reported that the workshop was a resounding success.
The planned number of participants was limited to 65, but several
additional persons attended. ASME and SRNL plan to consider
having a similar workshop next year.
For information about the Workshop (e.g., copies of the presentations,
etc.), contact John Koehr.
Immediately following the ASME/SRNL workshop, the ASME Hydrogen
Pipeline Working Group held two days of meetings in Augusta
- starting on the afternoon of August 30th and continuing through
the 31st. The meetings featured presentations on:
- Hydrogen permeability and integrity of hydrogen transfer
pipelines
- Natural gas pipelines for hydrogen use
- Hydrogen materials research
- Pennsylvania Regional Infrastructure Project
- Natural gas utilities options analysis for the hydrogen
economy
- Hydrogen pipeline operating experiences and issues - presentations
by:
- Chevron
- Air Products
- BP
- Air Liquide
- etc.
The Working Group conducted two breakout sessions to identify
top-priority pipeline delivery needs:
- Group 1: Hydrogen steel pipelines
- Group 2: Hydrogen composite (or non-steel) pipelines
For additional information, contact Louis Hayden, Louis Hayden
Consultants
A fter the Working Group meeting, several members got together
to consider how they might be able to discuss materials testing
needs and priorities on a more continuing basis. This resulted
in their coming up with the concept for a Materials for the
Hydrogen Economy Coordinating Group.
Proposed
Concept for the Hydrogen Economy Coordinating Group (57Kb
PDF)
The Group would operate mostly via email and teleconferences.
Sandia/Livermore has agreed to provide any needed administrative
support.
11.0 REPORT ON CODES AND STANDARDS DOCUMENTS IN
THE "COMMENTS" PHASE AND UPCOMING EVENTS
Kelvin Hecht's
report on codes and standards documents in the "Comments"
stage and upcoming events (128Kb PDF)
12.0 REPORT ON DRAFT CONCEPT FOR EFFECTING COORDINATION
BETWEEN THE NATIONAL COORDINATING COMMITTEE AND THE US TAG TEAMS
As a result of the August teleconference meeting, Jim Ohi
and Russ Hewett were given the action item to formulate the
draft for a concept for attaining effective and efficient coordination
between the National Coordinating Committee and the various
US TAG Teams involved in international standards and global
technical regulations development activities. The focus is on
the following TAG Teams:
- ISO/Technical Committee (TC) 197 (Hydrogen Technologies)
- IEC/TC 105 (Fuel Cell Technologies)
- ISO/TC 118 (Compressors)
- ISO/TC 11 (Boilers and Pressure Vessels)
- ISO/TC 58 (Gas Cylinders)
- ISO/TC 22 (Road Vehicles) SubCommittee 21 (Electric Road
Vehicles)
- ISO/TC 220 (Cryogenic Gases)
- ISO/TC 153 (Valves)
Draft concept developed
by Jim and Russ (100Kb PDF)
Rather than discuss the draft during the meeting, Russ recommended
that Committee members take the time to review and critique
it on their own schedules and send their comments to Russ and/or
Jim by email. The draft will be placed on the agenda for discussion
as part of the October meeting. This was acceptable to the participants.
13.0 REPORTS FROM CDOS AND SDOS ON THEIR ACTIVITIES
AS THEY RELATE TO COORDINATION
There were no reports by the various CDOs and SDOs.
Russ Hewett mentioned that he had received a report from Darren
Meyers stating that at least one of the ICC's Hydrogen Education
Teams had taken the First Responder Awareness Level - Hydrogen
Safety course developed and given by the DOE Volpentest HAMMER
Training and Education Center in Richland, WA. (HAMMER stands
for "Hazardous Materials Management and Emergency Response").
The purpose of their taking the course was to evaluate it and
give "open and honest" feedback to HAMMER for use
in crafting the final version of the course. When Darren's report
is submitted to NREL, Russ will make it available to the Committee.
Kelvin Hecht reported that RABQSA International, which was investigating
the feasibility of designing and implementing a Hydrogen Safety
Specialist/Hydrogen Safety Officer scheme, had made the decision
to discontinue the activity, based on the feedback that they
had received.
NEXT MEETING OF THE HC&SCC
The next meeting is scheduled to be the October 2005 Teleconference
Meeting as follows:
- DATE: October 5th (First Wednesday)
- TIME: 3:00 - 4:30 pm EDT
- CALL-IN NUMBER - (641) 793-7000 / Pass Code: 824011#
The Agenda will be disseminated with the Final Announcement
for the meeting.
Tentatively, the November/December meeting will be an In-Person
meeting in conjunction with the USFCC 2005 Fuel Cell Seminar
scheduled for November 14-18 in Palm Springs, CA.
Respectfully submitted,
Russ Hewett
ATTACHMENT A
PARTICIPANTS IN THE SEPTEMBER 2005 TELECONFERENCE MEETING OF
THE NATIONAL HYDROGEN AND FUEL CELLS CODES AND STANDARDS COORDINATING
COMMITTEE
| NAME |
ORGANIZATION |
PRESENT
At Meeting?
(Yes/No) |
| Adam Gromis |
California Fuel Cell Partnership |
N |
| Algis Vasys |
Vista Consulting Group |
N |
| Andrei Tchouvelev |
A. V. Tchouvelev & Associates,
Inc. |
In Pisa, Italy |
| Antonio Ruiz |
USDOE/Hydrogen, Fuel Cell and Infrastructure
Technologies Program |
Out of Office |
| Bill Chernicoff |
USDOT/Research and Innovative Technologies
Administration(RITA)/Washington |
N |
| Bill Collins |
UTC Fuel Cells |
Y |
| Bob Mauro |
Consultant to NREL |
Y |
| Brad Smith |
Shell Hydrogen |
N |
| Brian Walsh |
US Fuel Cell Council |
N |
| Bruce Kinzey |
Pacific Northwest Laboratory |
N |
| Carl Rivkin |
National Fire Protection Association
(NFPA) |
Y |
| Cathy Gregoire-Padro |
Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) |
N |
| Christina Zhang-Tillman |
California Fuel Cell Partnership |
Y |
| Christopher Moen |
Sandia National Laboratories/Livermore |
Y |
| Dan Casey |
Chevron |
N |
| Darren Meyers |
International Code Council (ICC) |
N |
| Debbie Angerman |
Compressed Gas Association (CGA) |
Y |
| Doug Horne |
DBHORNE
Technology Management
|
N |
| Gary Howard |
Stuart Energy Systems |
Y |
| George Earle |
Plug Power |
Y |
| George Kervitsky |
SENTECH |
N |
| George Thomas |
Consultant to Sandia
National Laboratories
|
N |
| Gerry Myers |
SPRINT |
N |
| Greg Milewski |
Shell Oil Products |
Out of Office |
| Hank Seiff |
Clean Vehicle Education Foundation |
Y |
| Harry Jones |
Underwriter Laboratories |
N |
| Holly Thomas |
National Renewable Energy Laboratory
(NREL) |
Y |
| Jeff Grant |
Ballard Generation Systems |
N |
| Jesse Schneider |
DaimlerChrysler |
In Pisa, Italy |
| Jim McGetrick |
BP |
Y |
| John Koehr |
American Society of Mechanical Engineers
(ASME) |
Y |
Juana Williams
|
NIST
|
N |
| Julie Cairns |
CSA America |
Y |
| Julie Willets |
SPRINT
|
N |
| Karen Hall |
National Hydrogen Association (NHA) |
Y |
| Keith Hardy |
Argonne National Laboratory |
N |
| Kelvin Hecht |
ANSI, IEC and Consultant to NREL |
Y |
| Ken Krastins |
Plug Power |
N |
| Larry Johnson |
SPRINT |
N |
Laurie Florence
|
Underwriters Laboratories |
Y |
| Mark Richards |
Gas Technology Institute |
Y |
| Michael Steele |
General Motors Advanced Technology
Vehicles |
Y |
| Patrick Serfass |
National Hydrogen Association (NHA) |
Y |
| Pat Davis |
USDOE/Hydrogen, Fuel Cell and Infrastructure
Technologies Program |
In Pisa, Italy |
| Prentiss Searles |
American Petroleum Institute (API) |
Out of Office |
| Robert Wichert |
US Fuel Cell Council (USFCC) |
N |
| Roger Smith |
Compressed Gas Association (CGA) |
N |
| Ron Sims |
Society of Automobile Engineers (SAE)
and Consultant to NREL |
N |
| Sondra Ullman |
Plug Power |
Y |
| Spencer Grieco |
CSA America |
N |
| Steve Turner |
C&S Consultant |
N |
| Susan Townsend |
General Electric
Global Research Center |
Y |
| Ted Williams |
American Gas Association (AGA) |
N |
| Terry Conrad |
Concurrent Technologies Corp. |
Unable to participate |
| Tom Joseph |
Air Products and Chemicals |
Y |
| Tony Androsky |
US Fuel Cell Council (USFCC) |
N |
| Jim Ohi |
National Renewable Energy Laboratory
(NREL) |
In Pisa, Italy |
| Russ Hewett |
National
Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) |
Y |
|
